Mil-short

whisper_kill · Senior Member

Mil-short

FLYBOY · Senior Member

not bad.. like u said there's still some sound to work on like the volume of the explosion lol.. but all in all it looks good so far

Gunny · Senior Member

Hey Chris, are you going to try and make any more mil shorts again? that first one was pretty sick:)

whisper_kill · Senior Member

Yeah. It's time to do another ranger recruitment video once we iron out the (RRD) Ranger reconnaissance detachment details. I want a better cross section of team members in the video and unfortunately, RRD comes with BDU requirements and standards. So there may be cost involved for some.

Gunny · Senior Member

What kind of BDU requirements are you looking at just out of curiousity?

whisper_kill · Senior Member

I'm still researching RRD, so not 100% sure yet. I have a feeling these guys will be running multi cam or acu or some standard u.s. Pattern... But will find out. We'll get a complete rig set up put together for reference.

panzergrenadier · Senior Member

Multicam!!! Multicam!!!
I'm working on getting a set of real issued stuff... the stuff I have now sucks!

Gunny · Senior Member

@panzergrenadier lol you do love your multicam dont you!:) Just an idea have you guys considered the US army ranger loadout with the PCU upper and ACU lower? like in these pics? Just a thought :P

panzergrenadier · Senior Member

I sure do! It works really well... (not the fake ****...the real stuff)
I do like the PCU look... Too bad it's hard to find the jackets in small sizes... I've heard the replicas don't fit quite right.

-- Edited by panzergrenadier on Wednesday 1st of June 2011 08:32:04 PM

Gunny · Senior Member

Have no fear Yves!! Airsoftdepot has the Alwin PCU in stock in small to extra large for 89.99!!

whisper_kill · Senior Member

I'd like to put some effort into seeing what RRD outfits their soldiers with first. Failing that, I like that ranger look that you referenced.

Gunny · Senior Member

Its pretty damn slim pickings trying to find info on these guys lol ive been looking all night:)

panzergrenadier · Senior Member

Reasons I'd go with Multicam Over ACU
1- ACU Sucks the big one.
2- 75th Rangers are Using Multicam now (pretty much becoming standard across the whole US Army)
3- Pretty easy to get stuff that's not crappy Replica stuff. (might cost a bit more but worth it!)

Gunny · Senior Member

@panzergrenadier - im not a huge fan of ACU as a whole uniform but i do like the mix like in the pics above, as for Multicam...........still hasnt grown on me yet lol still prefer CADPAT or MARPAT:)

panzergrenadier · Senior Member

As a user of CADPAT in real life... I don't really like using it for airsoft...
I find the digital patterns tend to lose they're effectiveness the closer you get to them...
I've done some comparisons with CADPAT, Multicam and ACU kit and found that the Multicam definitely works better is more types of environments than the other 2.
While ACU works decently in more Urban environments, it doesn't work very well in grassy/wooded areas.

CADPAT works very well in lush Green environments, but as soon as you have more brown, grey or tan (I.e. Pine/Thick Canopy forest, Urban, Sandy/tall greassy areas that are not so green) you end up sticking out like a sore thumb...

Multicam on the otherhand works well in MOST environments. By well I don't mean perfectly but I'd rather have something that works well almost anywhere i go than something that only works in one or 2 types of environments.

That's why alot of Countries are starting to make the switch to Multicam. (If not already done so completely)
Australia, Chile, Jordan, Montenegro, Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, Taiwan, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United States and Mexico.

Alot of people Poopoo multicam beacause it's so popular, but like I said there's a reason it's so popular.
Even the Marines, Navy Seals and most US special forces are using multicam now.

Gunny · Senior Member

I dont disagree that it is very effective i just find it a little too Gucci right now for my tastes lol However that being said i will probably grab some at some point down the road lol. Like you said if it works it works right? Just a personal preference for me at this time is all by not wearing it.

panzergrenadier · Senior Member

I hear ya.

whisper_kill · Senior Member

My thoughts on multi cam are, why have a catch all cam pattern? We issue our military with TW for lush forested grassy terrain, and AR for sandy stuff? Use the best pattern for your deployment. For airsoft, cad pat is the way to go... We'll only ever be in this type of terrain... But I do recognize the conflict for some of our serving members, to be wearing cad pat. I will continue my research into RRD bdu's and see what it nets me.

panzergrenadier · Senior Member

Yeah. I got away with wearing CADPAT for airsoft for a while...
Now that more Officers and such from my regiment know me... I'm not as willing to take the chance of wearing it for other than when I'm working.
I find having one camouflage that is multi terrain is that even here in Canada a small area (the field here in Peterborough for example) the terrain colours change pretty frequently from one area to the next...

The Canadian Military hasn't had the best record for kitting out their solders... Some stuff is great, while other kit is complete junk!
The main reason the CF hasn't adopted a "Universal" camouflage is because they've invested too much money so far on the developement and producing of the CADPAT. Seeing as how a Canadian company invented the ****ing stuff.
That and the other thing is the CF technically can't adopt Multicam due to the Textiles Act where any Textiles that the Cf uses to make Kit out of HAS to be made in Canada and Crye owns the rights to produce Multicam and probably won't sell the rights to a Canadian manufacturer. It just won't be profitable fro Crye to do so...

AAAAAnnnnyyyhooo...
I've been using CADPAT for almost 4 years in the military and (up until recently) for airsoft. I've seen the way it works... and like I said, it works damn well when youre in very lush green grass or trees (and really only at over 100m) but once you move from the trees into Urban, Dried grassy areas, Pine Forests, Etc. you end up sticking out like a sore thumb.

That's my opinion... I'm not saying we should definitely go with Multicam... But I'm definitely saying we shouldn't go with ACU or CADPAT for the RRD.
There are plenty of better Camouflages out there that we could be using for our type of environment/terrain.

whisper_kill · Senior Member

We'll keep researching to see what type of kit these guys run with. I am thinking that they probably rock the same stuff regular rangers do... But I will keep looking.

whisper_kill · Senior Member

Ok, just found one photo of team one members. They were wearing pcu jump suits in ranger green with protec helmets. I can't seem to find any reference for these guys. We may be outfitting in standard ranger gear... Which could very well be what these guys wear anyway. ...more info I just found. The pcu blouse is verY common. It Is ALWAYS Ranger green and nothing else. Boots are typically tan, black knee pads. Mich2000 with single norotos mount. Gloves have been mechanic wear... But are usually operators choice. As of late, they have been getting issued multi cam. Gun is m4a1 and as of late, the scar. More to come.

-- Edited by whisper_kill on Thursday 2nd of June 2011 09:00:32 PM

Gunny · Senior Member

These guys are as hard to find as Big Foot!! lol im coming up empty handed as well in my casual search but seem to see a lot of common setup similar to what you have found in general.

whisper_kill · Senior Member

That's one reason I find these guys appealing. I've managed to find snippets of literature about them, and from what I have read thus far, they are the ultimate bad asses. One forum compared Force Recon against them, and they basically said RRD makes Force Recon look like boy scouts. Another compared them against seals teams and put them on par with the most elite SOFs out there. I myself was completely unaware of their existence until now.

Gunny · Senior Member

It seems that there is more documentation about these guys albiet limited than pics lol. I did read those comparisons as well and it was pretty interesting. From what ive read they have been active since 2007 so its pretty cool that they have made a name for themselves within the SF community for only being around for a relatively short time.

whisper_kill · Senior Member

Yeah, there's no doubt they are bad asses.

In terms of uniform, I have to agree, the acu bottoms and ranger green pcu blouse is a great look.

Gunny · Senior Member

just out of curiousity what is the PCU blouse rated for temp wise? I was under the impression it is more for colder climates but seeing on how a lot of the pics i have seen are from the middle east i guess it would have to work for both extremes?

whisper_kill · Senior Member

Agreed, I saw a lot of pics from warmer climates as well, so it must be fine.

Soldier Of Misfortune · Member

Speaking from operational experience (as of 2010/ AFG) the U.S. rangers use full multicam. worked with them a few times. The rest of their military begun getting kitted out in multicam during the end of my deployment. Also British Royal Marine Commandos and Gurkhas wore a darker green version of multicam.